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To all Drivers, Firemen and Cleaners, Southern Railway.
The appreciative manner in which the booklet has been revised, giving the seniority position, the Area Promotion Scheme and
other important general decisions of Sectional Council No.2 on the L.M.& S. and the L. & N.E.Railways, is such as to justify
the issue of this booklet in order to place similar information in the hands of the drivers, firemen, and cleaners on the
Southern Railway.
This booklet contains the present regulations, as recorded in the Minutes of Sectional council No.2, setting out the
arrangements for dealing with:-
(1) The Whole Line Promotion Scheme.
(2) The seniority list of all men in the Locomotive Running Department throughout the whole of the Southern Railway.
(3) Medical Examination.
(4) The Transfer of Staff.
(5) Substitution of Electric Traction for Steam.
(6) Period of notice required on leaving the Company’s service.
The decisions quoted only lay down the general policy, and any point of interpretation which may rise should be submitted to
your branch officers to be dealt with in the usual way.
Yours faithfully
C.T. Cramp
Promotion and Seniority of Drivers, Firemen and Cleaners.
RAILWAYS STAFF CONFERENCE MINUTE NO.35, OCTOBER 17th, 1923.
The following National arrangements with regards to promotion have been agreed between the Railways Staff Conference and
the Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen and the National Union of Railwaymen:-
1. The principles of the National Agreements, and of the agreed interpretations, as to seniority and promotion to continue; and
the date of entry into the line of promotion on any railway within a group to be the date on which a man’s seniority in the
service of the Amalgamated Railway is determined.
2. Each Amalgamated Railway to be divided into a suitable number of promotion areas, and those areas to be the basis
adopted for all purposes of promotion - Cleaners to Firemen, and Firemen to Drivers.
3. Acceptance of any promotion involving removal from one depot to another within the same promotional area to be options
on the part of the man concerned.
4. no man occupying a position to which his seniority would not entitle him under this arrangement is to be put back.
Necessary adjustments in the seniority lists to be made only in connection with future promotions.
5. In the event of it being found necessary for men to be put back to firing or cleaners duties, such putting back to be applied
to juniors in the service in the promotional area despite the fact that such men may have been permanently appointed in the
higher grade for a longer period than others senior to them in length of service.
Following upon Clause 2 above, it has been agreed by Minute No.2 of the Railway Staff Conference meeting of April 24th,
1924, that the Southern Railway shall be regarded as one promotional area under the new scheme.
Medical Examination of Drivers, Firemen and Motormen after Sickness
MINUTE NO.3, SECTIONAL COUNCIL NO.2 MEETING,
DECEMBER 10th, 1924.
The following proposed arrangements for the medical examination of Drivers, Firemen, and Motormen were discussed and
accepted:-
(a) Men to be examined after an absence from duty of four weeks, and in addition -
(b) If absence is less than four weeks in the undermentioned circumstances:
1. If illness is such as might impair a man’s sight or otherwise affect his ability to satisfactorily discharge his duties.
2. After an operation.
3. If illness is due to an infection or contagious disease.
4. Men taken suddenly ill from causes which include the loss of consciousness.
Medical Examination.
MINUTE NO.18 OF SECTIONAL COUNCIL NO.2, MEETING,
JANUARY 13th, 14th, 19th and 20th, 1926.
ITEM
General - Request that men having been passed to qualify as Drivers should not be required to submit to another examination
when promoted.
MINUTE
It was agreed that Drivers, Firemen and Motormen shall, in future, be examined by the Company’s Medical Officers as
follows:-
(a) On promotion from Cleaner to Fireman.
(b) On promotion from Fireman to Driver or Motorman.
(c) On reaching age 60, and annually thereafter.
Transfer of Staff.
MINUTE NO.6, SECTIONAL COUNCIL NO.2, MEETING,
JULY 30th and AUGUST 7th 1925.
ITEM
To consider the question of an agreed allowance being paid to all men transferred to other Depots for the Company’s
convenience.
MINUTE.
In cases where men have to remove their residence for the Company’s convenience an allowance of 2s. per day and night will
be given to married men up to a period of three months. If accommodation has not been obtained during the stipulated time a
review of each case will take place. Special consideration will be given to single men living with and entirely supporting a
parent.
Period of Notice Require on Leaving Company’s Service.
MINUTE NO.20 OF SECTIONAL COUNCIL NO.2 MEETING,
JANUARY 13th, 14th, 19th and 20th, 1926
ITEM
Period of notice requires on leaving Company’s Service.
MINUTE
It was agreed that the period should be one week.
Substitution of Electric Traction for Steam
MINUTE NO.2 OF SECTIONAL COUNCIL NO.2 MEETING
DECEMBER 10th, 1924
ITEM
Substitution of electric traction for steam. (Deferred from last meeting).
MINUTE
The report of the Sub-Committee (see Appendix “A”) was considered and confirmed.
REPORT OF SUB-COMMITTEE, NOVEMBER 12th, 1924
(APPENDIX “A”)
ITEM
1. That as far as possible at Depots where electricity supersedes steam as a means of traction all Drivers displaced shall have
prior claim to positions of Motormen, or the option of remaining on steam work.
MINUTE
Agreed that in the first place the position of Motorman shall be offered to Steam Drivers in order of seniority at each depot
affected by the substitution of electricity for steam traction. In the event of an insufficient number of Steam Drivers offering
themselves for Motormen’s posts at these particular Depots the offer shall be extended to other Steam Drivers on a Line basis
of seniority.
Failing a sufficient number of Steam Drivers being available by foregoing means Junior Drivers on a Line basis to be allotted
to the vacant Motormen’s positions.
ITEM
2. The following the filling of vacancies as in the preceding clause all subsequent vacancies be filled by locomotive men
employed on the Southern Railway who are in the line of promotion in order of seniority as laid down in the National
Agreements of August, 1919, and the subsequent Agreement of April 24th, 1924, relating of Line Promotion on the Southern
Railway.
Agreed
3. That qualified Motormen regraded as above shall in the following circumstance be permitted to return to the Locomotive
Department:-
(a) For reasons of health subject to certification by the
Company’s Doctor
(a) Agreed subject to the man concerned being certified by
the Company’s Medical Officer as fit for steam work
(b) In the event of redundancy in the Electrical Department. Agreed
(c) For reasons which the Employes or Company can justify.
(c) The Company’s representatives could not agree to this
but intimated that each case arising outside (a) and (b)
would be considered on its merits.
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